The company manufactured Camillus branded knives and was a prolific contractor for other knife brands up until its last days in 2007 when the company filed for bankruptcy. The company then had 20 employees. During World War II, the company made over 15 million knives for the U.S. Armed Forces. $149.99. In my estimation I would not include the Camillus 5 inch blades with fullers in a discussion about Navy Mark I knives. This prototype is date 5/13/1954. Make sure to stop by the AAPK store & shop for Camillus knives when your done here. KA-BAR, Robeson, Pal, Utica, Ontario and Camillus were the major manufacturers of the Mark 2. Mark 1s by Colonial had injected plastic handles. for great photos and full text on telling them The M3 had many variations, including added spacers at the guard and pommel end, or piening the tang over to hold the pommel in place as opposed to pinning the pommel onto the tang. Thank you everyone who helped me on this post. Required fields are marked *. Sears Roebucks in 9/26/1941. 5,292. The spear blade has an etch that says "Sta-Sharp" over "Chrome Plated". If you are interested in the Camillus M4 There are many variables to take into consideration and a general genealogy of dating can be made with Mark 1 knives. Another unmarked Prototype hunter with stagged Rosewoods ). In this early production from the spring of 1943 through to the middle of 1944 is where you'll find all the variables or variations with in the Mark 1 knives. --> 51,748 pieces, Carried in Vietnam we doubt it. No damage or repairs. This pattern has black synthetic handle scales and no number stamped on the reverse of the spear blade. The line is shorter on this one than others that extend the full length of the word "Camillus". Like most every enduring knife manufacturer, Camillus used several different tang stamps to mark its knives. and steel domed rivets but with a different grind from above. These bayonets are very similar to the originals so you need to check From the picture you can see that the length of the hilts are different. USMC next to the current repro which graphically shows the difference. Handles generally were stacked leathersome with fiber spacers, some without. by glennbad Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:59 am, Post Synthetic Staglon have no cracks or chips. A metal tip was added. Here is a very nice slightly used Camillus U.S.A. made No.11 "American Wildlife" Wolf howling over moon, beautiful folding lock back pocket knife with jogged Delrin scales, brass bolsters and KNIFAX: Manufacturer: Queen Brand: Queen Model: English Jack KNIFAX: Manufacturer: Camillus Brand: Camillus Model: Camillus U.S.A. military, metal frame style knife.Dated 1976. silver. We place the WW II era In the testing Western won the contract These fakes are even made with materials that age fast, tricking you into thinking that the knife has indeed seen a lot of years. We can go down the list for all the contractors. Navy didn't agree. The purpose of this post is to list a few of the variations found in one of the most widely distributed pocketknives in the last century: the Camillus electrician-pattern knife as issued to the U.S. armed forces and other agencies. This large, old(mid-70's), hard-to-find beauty is a large approximately 4 3/16" long when closed. Above that it simply says "Army Air Forces". Among the "bright" finished knives you will find a variance. #4. this one, it should be a fantastic story to be uncovered one day. by Wayne Goddard Both marked CAMILLUS over N.Y. but the one on the left the font is larger. It is fixed to the blade by crushing the tang on most models. Ka-Bar (/ k e. Not Adopted, Case and Catt got the Q knife Note that the Camillus brand emerged from bankruptcy in 2009, but this page will remain dedicated to the pre-bankruptcy knives. Thank you KLJ77. The Camillus prototype shop started work on improving the new M3 design. M8 (2nd Model): Same as 1st Model but with the addition of a hook to attach the sheath to the M1936 belt. This is the #3 knife Camillus submitted for the test. The company continued to do well during the 20s and 30s. The blade markings are not specified on the Camillus drawing. This is the shortened version with the 5" blade. like the original and with a little bit of use can be made to look old real Our fellow member Frank Trzaska wrote about these knives most recently, I think, in his February 2014 article in Knife World entitled "The USAAC 5" Hunting Knife". Originally there were supposed to be eight grooves, but some companies generally used to six to seven. However, that beauty does come with some challenges in telling the exact era that the knife is from. The one on the left there is a bevel at the top of the grip. Another Kent with stagged Rosewood, brass pins and etched. That is why,, Read More How to Date a Schrade Knife (+ Schrade Knife Collection Tang Stamp Chart)Continue. The handles look to be rosewood and are chip and crack free. In the guides to dating Schrade knives, dating kissing crane knives, and knowing what era your ka-bar knife is from, there were a lot of years to deal with. (see photos). These sheaths are in a very different style from the originals and always set off an alarm when looking for an original knife. by Wayne Goddard Engineers. Shows the Imperial bent guard with correct sheath as a Mark 1. The handle diameter was larger (1.2 inches wide) and had a pinned-on stepped pommel 1.35 inches wide. It was later made with an etch on the blade "Sportsman" By the close of 1943, a satisfactory method was applied. In order to meet this need, the M1918 knife stock was distributed while waiting to design the ideal knife. eBay. OK, but I did not see any knife with this tang stamp before 1989. apart. this out before you buy. $39.00. SEE PICS Made in USA knife (looks like a Camillus#21), 2 7/8" long Peanut pattern. Camillus Manufactures a Quality Hunting Knife, Folding Knife & Fixed Blade Knife with a Lifetime Warranty. repro has a very short and sharply curved false edge. Note the scabbards with and without sheet You have entered an incorrect email address! generate quite a few questions so we hope this is a help to a few folks. Shortly after its bankruptcy, the brand name was purchased & re-launched by Acme United Corporation. and the empty draws. It was used on Camillus knives in the early 1900s estimate: circa 1902 to 1915. It may not display this or other websites correctly. US M6 + Manufacturer's name + 1943 + Ordnance corps. M8 (1st Model): Made of fiber, metal and spun cotton canvas. Suggestions, Questions, Comments, Concerns, Alerts, Etc Member Store Tips, Tricks & Instructions, Please help identify year of Camillus military knife, Re: Please help identify year of Camillus military knife, http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ val-knife/. The Cattaraugus 225-Q had one of the strongest blades of any World War II combat knife. rivets, Kent Sportsman with etching and stagged bone and large A knife for sale on Frank Trzaska's site shows a sheath with the same care instructions stamped into it, with the knife keeper in a different location. Very nice! The other side on the tang it looks like a faint serial number. Our fellow member Frank Trzaska wrote about these knives most recently, I think, in his February 2014 article in Knife World entitled "The USAAC 5" Hunting Knife". The original Camillus Cutlery Company was one of the oldest knife manufacturers in the United States with roots dating back to 1876. Save my name and email to use for future comments. They are back again and better then ever. Besides showing you how to date a Camillus knife properly, I also give some tips to avoid falling into the fake vintage Camillus knife scam. Multiple detailed photos of a specific sample are provided. The handles are engraved with information and images of Kar Products and are chip and crack free. Cold marking on the blade was abandoned because it was considered that it weakened the blade. S-5382 Half guard prototype with scaler back and 3 small Wadsworth and Dixon were all house brands of Kastor. The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' four line stamp. Otherwise, have someone who does. Case (W.R. Case & sounds) --> 300,465 pieces, This tang stamp was used by Camillus from 1989 up until its bankruptcy in 2007. room when the company was auctioned off. The blade not adopted had a flat blade with plastic Resinox pommel. The tang stamp on this knife is post Government contract era. But I don't know if my pommel is screwed or welded. Multitool knife: Some knife designs from Camillus contain . U.S. M8 + Manufacturer's name Rosewood and steel domed rivets. the Above JPK and the Marbles in the 1953 to 1957 time frame. Of course, they were sharp and most of them are older than us, but that doesnt mean we lost interest. This is the factory reference knife that was adopted. Very little use and hardly any honing, most of the original phosphate coating on the blade is intact. the knife is a Camillus model number 5733. One of the nice things about this forum is having so many eyes available for looking. The blade design is different then the While somewhat similar the fullered blade knives are a distinct model and are most often associated with the USAAF, not the Navy. The only way to stay in the knife business and keep running a profit was to start making and selling them domestically. Its a day to participate in exercises expressive of our recognition of the skill, gallantry, and uncompromising devotion to duty characteristic of the Armed Forces in the carrying out of their missions,as President Harry Truman put it in 1950. Camillus Design Partners Knives, machetes and tools designed by the best in the business. Blade finishes were blued and polished. The M1918 mk1 is kept and distributed while stocks last. blade with S numbers. He started importing and selling German-made knives to his U.S. audience. If you look closely at it the tang stamp is for an early example of that fullered blade, and so far is the only example of one with this style hilt that I've run across. The M3 was later replaced by the M4 bayonet for the US M1 rifle. Robeson (Robeson Cutlery co.) --> 36 575 pieces, The knives will be sold as a group only. VINTAGE US MILITARY CAMILLUS KNIFE EX. Sword Brand Folding Hunter 26 NIB, SYRACUSE KNIFE CO. TEXAS TOOTHPICK NICE END OF DAY CELLULOID 8 3/4" OVERALL, Vintage Camillus 2 Blade Large Cigar Knife w Riders of the Silver Screen Handles -Tonto -NOS, VINTAGE MCGREW ARKANSAS USA FOLDING POCKET TOOTHPICK SINGLE BLADE JACK KNIFE KNIVES OLD, VINTAGE 4 LINE CAMILLUS CUTLERY CO BONE EZ EASY OPEN JACK FOLDING POCKET KNIFE KNIVES OLD, VINTAGE CAMILLUS NEW YORK USA 42 EQUAL END CIGAR JACK FOLDING POCKET KNIFE KNIVES OLD, USN Mk2 Camillus NY 12" OAL Fighting Knife Phosphorus Coated Leather Sheath Marked USMC Pinned Butt, CAMILLUS NO. This is a nice lightly used High Carbon Steel scout/utility knife. The Camillus knives went to the war (WWI & WWII), was handcrafted for some presidents, and lived more than 100 years before the company shut down. originals and always set off an alarm when looking for an original Dated 1/25/1943 on the order. I guess some where bent for personal preference. The Company produced millions of knives until it filed for bankruptcy in 2007. A nice little Camillus Bird & Trout knife.Pattern #1006.Blade 3 3/4" and 7 1/4" overall.Blade has a good amount of scratches on both sides.Leather washer handle with brass and black fiber. joined the originals, now we have all that were present at the time of the Throughout the Vietnam War, Camillus produced the GI four-blade utility knife, the pilot survival knife and the U.S. Marine Corps 7-inch . If you can find old knife catalogs, theyre one of the best ways to date and identify your Camillus knives. I saw no date on the pommel nut. "S" Cards and drawings, dates, etc, associated with these knives ONE CAMILLUS 1960 US Military Survival Pocket Knife . Camillus stagged bone grips with brass pins. and it's variations check out Gary Cunningham's Bayonet Points # 8 right here Bayo Points 8 US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY Add to Cart. I have never seen that variation. The design was not adopted. At a time like this, when not all dealers can be trusted, you need to be on guard. Guard marked -> Manufacturer's name + Type ex: PAL USM3, 4th Type marking : This is a "Standard Scout" made by Camillus. The 5th type is in fact due to manufacturing errors (forgetting to stamp the blades or guards), but the knives were still accepted by the US Army Material Department (Ordnance corp). 5684 S50: Dated 8/21/1945 this design uses the Mark 2 blade, Both had huge blood grooves, stacked leather handles, and several different guards and pommels. Camillus WW2 Military Rope Knife 5 out of 5 stars (97) $ 50.00. In fact, in the 30s Camillus had the reputation of being the highest quality maker of knives in the United States. There is a variation of a Parkerized blade Camillus MARK 1 with no branch of service markings, (Cole III, pg. b r /; trademarked as KA-BAR) is the contemporary popular name for the combat knife first adopted by the United States Marine Corps in November 1942 as the 1219C2 combat knife (later designated the USMC Mark 2 combat knife or Knife, Fighting Utility), and subsequently adopted by the United States Navy as the U.S. Navy utility knife, Mark 2. A German himself, and having spent enough time in the U.S.A. to know the market landscape, this business venture was not difficult for him. One is the Shark. Western made two: one with a 6-inch blade, the G46-6, and one with a 5-inch blade, the G46-5. $50.00. On the blade and guard -> Manufacturer's name + Type ex : PAL USM3. larger pommel version we all know. Keen Kutter etched in blade and tang marked Sharpleigh / We can also see models with a brown plastic washer on the guard and a black plastic washer on the pommel. There won't be any pommel markings on this one. On the blade -> Manufacturer's name + Type + Year of manufacture ex: PAL USM3 1943, 2nd Type marking (End of 1943) : knife with Rosewood plain grips and brass pins. The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' three line straight stamp. Here are some links to other threads touching on this subject. If you check the pommel (end of the handle) under magnification, you may see a year stamp. BryanJ- Besides the single pinned pommel, other ways to spot a 90s Camillus blade stamped repro is the color of the finish, originals are a bluish-black, not gray parkerizing, and the original "CAMILLUS" blade stamp is way smaller than the US M3, not almost the same size as the newer ones. Thanks for your help. The next change was in August 1961, reducing the length of the blade to 5 inches. Cold Steel Kobun Tactical Knife Olive Drab Handle. Presuming the knife and scabbard were issued together (and it is quite likely that they were), you can date this knife to 1944. The rarest USMC knife in All blades/implements open and close with good snap and no wobble. This sample made 1939. Camillus Western Kota Fixed Blade . He believes these were ordered in 04/05/44. They are hard to find. Today, its time to date the Cattaraugus knife to a specific era and see what beauty you have, Read More How to Date a Cattaraugus Knife (5 Methods Explained)Continue, I have written different guides on how to date different knives to a specific era but this one is different. rivets. When the USA entered the war in 1941, the combatants quickly felt the need to have a combat knife at their disposal. A place to discuss & share pictures of anything that relates to knives. Both have black plastic pommel. After the war, Camillus soon shifted back to civilian cutlery, but they were now facing stiff competition from overseas companies. Frank explained that Camillus made 4 versions of this blade, 3 of which were adopted by the military. brass rivets, Another Kent with stagged bone and small brass domed . bone and 1466 dozen made in stagged Rosewood. U.S. M8 A1 + Manufacturer's Name. Add to Favorites Vintage Kamp-King Pocket Utility Knife Imperial Prov RI USA Scout Camping . I can't give you a model number but it is a USAF survival knife AKA a jet pilot knife or bolt knife. But so many times the answer can be quite complicated. Made after march 1985 to 2006. This is what Camillus was thinking about at the end of the war, The M3 was designed to meet a shortage of combat knives, especially in early 1942. 28,000 copies and Viner Bros. 28,000 copies. Every sailor who worked topside was issued a fixed blade for cutting ropes/line. According to Frank Trzaska, a military knife historian, the decision to design the M3 rather than continuing to produce the Mark 2 was based on a U.S. steel shortage. Here is an image of my fullered 5 inch blade next to the saber ground blade knife. This stamp has was used on Camillus knives for a very short time. The first three lines are virtually identical, but the fourth has an added bonus in that it sports the the year of manufacture alongside the U.S.A. The re-launch occurred in 2009 with an introduction of a line of tactical knives imported from oversees. Camillus Jolt Folding Knife. 5665 J86: Prototype dated 3/25/1942 made for the Army The manufacturers of the M6 scabbard: Boarwood, Milsco, Moose, Sbl co, Viner Bros. Get the best deals on Camillus Us Knife In Original Vietnam War Edged Weapons when you shop the largest online selection at eBay.com. Bright blade (no property mark) initial production referred to as a 5-inch hunting knife, bright blade USN now referred to as the Mark 1, USN ricasso stamped with parked blade (corrosion resistant treatment compliance), late procurements with applied MARK 1 ricasso stampings. View on eBay. Note that the letters are all in caps & italic. Pilots Knife Made by Camillus. When speaking with them, make sure youre clear that youre not looking to sell. Tang stamp reads CAMILLUS N.Y. During World War II, the company made over 15 million knives for the U.S. Armed Forces. Pilot Survival Knife MIL-K-8662(AER). Camillus was also notorious for sometimes mixing up the tang stamps. Camillus started the production of 1219C2 Combat Knife, what became known as the USN Mark 2 Utility . It's a great place to learn or just hang out and share pictures information. The company quit referencing the date after 1915, but started back up in its later days preceding bankruptcy. 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Listed here we will discuss a few items that At the end of the war, the decision to ramp up capacity paid off as Camillus could now make its knives and still churn others out under contract. quick. It's an anomaly knife. Hoping you guys can help. The fun thing is that you also date the scabbards. Never used or Vintage Camillus U.S.A. Any review of World War II military fixed blades must include several examples of Western knives. Fortunately for us, Camillus changed their stamps enough to map each one to different periods. storage. Thick blade and two piece rivets were replaced with a thinner Knife Center.com has them in stock. FYI, in case your interested, the Government specification sheath for this knife is still available. Dated 10/30/1941. You will find many pictures of Camillus knife patterns. If you have a Kinfolks knife of, Read More How to Date A Kinfolks Knife to A Specific EraContinue, If you have spent some time here before, then we have dated some pretty amazing knives together. It arrived in 1943 as the 'US M3 Trench Knife'. 1937. in the handle grip from the looks of it. Enjoy! This is a used Camillus scout/utility knife. Pal (Pal Blade & Tool co.) --> 121,231 pieces, head pommel. Production date date 3/25/1943. We made no attempt to do any cleaning in case the knife is old. Since the manufacturers maintained it themselves, its a reasonably accurate way to tell the era that a knife came from. Marbles prototype: Super rare item. Another knives under boxes and paperwork. $129.99. These knives should be professionally serviced by a Camillus did use up the rather small quantity of 1966 blades when the change was made. Above we feature the Camillus USMC reproduction. That stamp is different than the one used earlier. This tang stamp was used by Camillus from 1960 to the late 1970s. Most folks don't know Silvey in United States Military Knives 1941-1991 again shows the Camillus as a Mark 1 in a USN Mark 1 sheath (which I think might be possible as it is certainly a better sheath in terms of durability and may have been swapped out by an air crewman in the 50s). It is knives like these that make some people on the outside question why Case knives are so expensive when they are just a great value for their money. by DTM1973 Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:03 am, Post J5 Forest King etched with prototype J-5 on the blade. . stagged Rosewood with brass pins, S-6541 marked Guarded Version stagged Rosewood with brass NICE . Camillus Factory still shot courtesy of Tom Williams showing Here are some ways to identify a fake Camillus knife: If youre in the market for a vintage Camillus knife, make sure you know how to tell the real deal apart from the repros. An unmarked prototype hunter with Stagged Rosewood and 5665: Early 12/29/1939 prototype of the new Camillus design It has a couple of chips out of the bone on the pile side and the tip is broken off the caplifter. The M3 knife consists of 3 pressed steel parts: The blade, the hilt and the pommel washer. The original design of this 5" blade is, I believe, a pre-war Marbles design which was known as the "Ideal", a #45. The pommel screw in the middle looks to be steel, but nut is brass. This link will bring you to a reference list of shields used on Camillus knives. Below you will find information about US made Camillus pocketknives: You will generally find a great assortment of Camillus knives up for sale here at AAPK. 3-line; non-italic fonts; short underline, 3-line; non-italic, full underline; no dots (USA., not U.S.A.), 3-line stamp; full underline; dotted U.S.A.; italics. Only the same "Camillus N.Y." markings, either on the normally found pile or reverse side of the blade, or stamped on the Name side or front of the knife. The Japanese sword names and specificities, The German helmets from 1935 to 1945 (WW2), Guide of theM1884-98 III Bayonet aka "K98 bayonet". All About Pocket Knives is a knife related resource center for buying, selling, researching, and discussing all things knives, Post Western made two: one with a 6-inch blade, the G46-6, and one with a 5-inch blade, the G46-5. Sword Brand Folding Hunter 26. Although it would appear that their presence in the theater of operations was mostly due to them being part of certain aircraft survival kits. The picture I posted is of a knife I had bid on in an auction, but did not win. the M3 pommel and guard to improve their knife and help conserve parts. blade and solid spun rivets for the military. Camillus hadnt always had business problems. knife that was adopted. This is a Camillus made Western Brand Texas Ranger Commemorative stockman. spacer arrangements. The This knife fits in with It doesn't get any better then this S-449 A and S-449B Prototype Hunting Knives with different sactroop- Just noticed the lower Camillus above the stamped sheath has a very well defined, scooped out fuller. by DTM1973 Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:33 am, Post The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. My goal is to provide helpful information about old pocket knives relating to their identification and history.
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